21 Replies Latest reply on Oct 15, 2015 9:45 AM by claradair

    GDBT to ArcGIS 10.1?

    ChrisQuick
      Will there be a new version of this for ArcGIS 10.1?  If not, does anyone know if the 10.0 version still works with 10.1?

      Thanks,

      CSQ
        • Re: GDBT to ArcGIS 10.1?
          BrianO
          Chris,

          If you had ArcGIS 10.0 installed and then upgraded to 10.1, GDBT will work.  If your situation is like mine, where IT just replaced your machine and a fresh 10.1 install is in place (no previous 10.0 install), you are out of luck.  The install checks the registry for some 10.0 entries apparently.  Seems like it could be an easy fix for ESRI to do, if they just took a few minutes to work on it.  Or better yet, make it part of core.

          I believe there is an ArcGIS idea about that.  You might wish to promote it.
          • Re: GDBT to ArcGIS 10.1?
            dlaw-esristaff
            Chris, Brian:

            Regarding these comments:

            Will there be a new version of this for ArcGIS 10.1?


            Or better yet, make it part of core.


            Actually, almost all of the GDBT geodatabase administrative functionality was added to core ArcGIS Desktop in 10.1. Please review this help topic,

            What's new for geodatabases in ArcGIS 10.1
            (look under the section titled New ArcGIS tools to administer enterprise geodatabases)

            The only thing missing from the GDBT is the "state tree viewer" functionality.

            Hope this helps,
            • Re: GDBT to ArcGIS 10.1?
              pmedley
              Chris, Brian:

              Regarding these comments:





              Actually, almost all of the GDBT geodatabase administrative functionality was added to core ArcGIS Desktop in 10.1. Please review this help topic,

              What's new for geodatabases in ArcGIS 10.1
              (look under the section titled New ArcGIS tools to administer enterprise geodatabases)

              The only thing missing from the GDBT is the "state tree viewer" functionality.

              Hope this helps,


              Actually, the "state tree viewer" is one of the things I like and use often. Too bad!  Always chasing that next version... 

              Does upgrading so often really solve more problems than it creates?  Sorry, I don't mean to be so philosophical, but I get weary of fixing the crap that breaks every version change and waiting for the things that are working for me now to catch up with the latest version so I can do almost the same thing that I am doing now.  I can't be the only one that likes the state tree viewer.
              • Re: GDBT to ArcGIS 10.1?
                timdine
                Chris, Brian:

                Regarding these comments:





                Actually, almost all of the GDBT geodatabase administrative functionality was added to core ArcGIS Desktop in 10.1. Please review this help topic,

                What's new for geodatabases in ArcGIS 10.1
                (look under the section titled New ArcGIS tools to administer enterprise geodatabases)

                The only thing missing from the GDBT is the "state tree viewer" functionality.

                Hope this helps,




                A google search trying to find a way to view the state tree in ArcGIS 10.1 brought me here...  I had hoped it would be a solution rather than other people looking for the same answer.  I'm still searching for a way to find this.  I've used that state tree lots of times for various troubleshooting situations.
                • Re: GDBT to ArcGIS 10.1?
                  dlaw-esristaff
                  Hi Tim,

                  Please add your feedback to this item:

                  ArcGIS Ideas: State Tree Diagram for 10.1 and above


                  Hope this helps,
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                    • Re: GDBT to ArcGIS 10.1?
                      claradair

                      Hello Derek, I've been answering this question at your and others' request in other forum threads for several years now.  I am still seeing requests from users in all these threads asking for the return of the state lineage tree.

                       

                      Actually, if one is lucky enough to be using a machine that had previously had 10.0 installed on it, it is still available.  I am grateful to have a machine with 10.3 that retains its ability to view the state tree diagram.  As new folks learn ArcSDE who have never seen this tool, they simply do not know what they are missing, but those of us who has used it, know the tables and lists in the new admin UI do not convey the same information.

                       

                      The state tree/versioning lineage diagram is the best way to convey the relationships between versions.  Even esri-sponsored writings, such as bug reports know this, and use a form of it in conveying information related to ArcSDE versioning.  Please empower us customers by letting us know what is the most effective way to bring back an effective and powerful troubleshooting, monitoring, and teaching tool.  Thanks, Clara

                        • Re: GDBT to ArcGIS 10.1?
                          dlaw-esristaff

                          Good to hear from you again Clara and apologies for the late reply. I was really busy with the Esri UC last week in San Diego and am trying to catch up on emails this week.

                           

                           

                          And it looks like Asrujit provided a good workaround for you, where you can enable the GDBT functionality within a more recent ArcGIS Desktop release. Which is great - thanks Asrujit!

                           

                          Hope this finds you well,

                            • Re: GDBT to ArcGIS 10.1?
                              BrianO

                              Derek,

                              What I--and it appears many others--want from GDBT is the state lineage tree. Quite honestly, there were few other tools in GDBT that I actually used beyond the tree. As Clara stated, the visual representation makes it easy for newbies and experts alike to understand relationships between all of your versions.

                               

                              The number of GDBT downloads should indicate to esri that it is an important tool for its customers. While you are correct that many (most?) of the tools are now in core, it appears that esri convened the wrong focus group when determining which functionality out of GDBT was most important to users.

                               

                              While I applaud Asrujit for providing a workaround, that is precisely what we should not need to be doing 2 major releases beyond 10.1 when users brought the issue to esri's attention.

                               

                              Esri, set aside your story map playtime for two seconds and make the state lineage tree part of core! Then we won't need to deal with a workaround.

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                              • Re: GDBT to ArcGIS 10.1?
                                claradair

                                Hey Derek, glad to hear from you and the UC sounded like it went really, really well.  I appreciate your and now also Asrujit's workarounds, but here's the thing: I work in an agency which primarily does GIS work in a citrix environment. 

                                 

                                As you might have guessed, we have no access to install workarounds on agency blades in a remote datacenter. As for those of us who have installed arcgis on a local machine, getting access to edit registry settings is, well, not common.  Sorry to say, if it takes this many workarounds, it's just not going to happen. If there's anything that could be done that doesn't require so many workarounds - like an install file, that would be simplest, wouldn't it?

                                Simplistic as ever,

                                Clara

                                • Re: GDBT to ArcGIS 10.1?
                                  claradair

                                  Hey thanks Derek Law I know you're onto other things besides ArcSDE, but I checked ArcGIS Ideas (your post above), and found 6 separate threads there related to the versioning state lineage tree diagram, and can't even find (in the new system) my own forum responses to ESRI's question about how we use the GDBT.  I had posted those responses in the past on request.

                                   

                                  Here's my point: all of our feedback and requests are scattered all over the place, resulting in the appearance that this is coming from a half dozen fringe users.  I was at the noontime meeting at the UC several years ago when the ESRI development panel was very clear that it was not interested in supporting the state tree diagram, and I can tell you there were more than a half dozen people in the room.

                                   

                                  Can you or someone on the ESRI end with any interest in the GDBT and state tree diagram Asrujit SenGupta help us consolidate that feedback into one place so that our request can be viewed as one request and given its fair weight?

                                   

                                  Thanks, Clara 

                                    • Re: GDBT to ArcGIS 10.1?
                                      dlaw-esristaff

                                      Hi Clara,

                                       

                                      > ... all of our feedback and requests are scattered all over the place, resulting in the appearance that this is coming from a half dozen fringe users. ... Can you or someone on the ESRI end with any interest in the GDBT and state tree diagram help us consolidate that feedback into one place so that our request can be viewed as one request and given its fair weight?

                                       

                                      I just checked the Ideas site and I see your point. Yes, I will coordinate getting the various separate ideas integrated into a single/unified idea - to more accurately reflect the user interest in the state tree viewer functionality.

                                       

                                      I will update this thread when this has been done.

                                       

                                      Thanks.

                                        • Re: GDBT to ArcGIS 10.1?
                                          dlaw-esristaff

                                          Hi Clara,

                                           

                                          FYI, we've aggregated the GDBT-related ideas on the Ideas site into a single idea and marked it as implemented.

                                           

                                          Release the GDBT for ArcGIS 10

                                           

                                          With the exception of the State Tree viewer functionality, which had 2 separate ideas posted; which have now been combined into a single idea,

                                           

                                          State Tree Diagram for 10.1 and above

                                           

                                          Thanks for bringing this to my attention.

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                                            • Re: GDBT to ArcGIS 10.1?
                                              claradair

                                              Hey Derek, that's awesome, I thank you for taking the time.  A chance for a fair hearing is the main thing I've been wanting to see.  Now, the ball is in our court, right? Chris Quick Brian Oevermann Paul Medley Tim Dine Joshua Bixby

                                               

                                              Thank you for your help, Derek

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                                                • Re: GDBT to ArcGIS 10.1?
                                                  bixb0012

                                                  I think the ball is still in Esri's court.  The community of users has already done its part by creating enhancement requests, logging ideas, and promoting those ideas.  The community has played by the rules laid out by Esri, now it is their turn to make a decision one way or the other.

                                                    • Re: GDBT to ArcGIS 10.1?
                                                      claradair

                                                      Hey yeah, I have posted and answered the question of how I use the GDBT and why I care about the versioning lineage diagram many times and in several places, so I very much understand the sentiment, but the request is all in one place now, and was not before this.

                                                       

                                                      Derek spent the time to do that for us, which I appreciate, so I will at least try this venue, and a positive vote will only take a second.  If we have better options, I'm all ears, give me a call?

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                                                        • Re: GDBT to ArcGIS 10.1?
                                                          bixb0012

                                                          I am going to try to embed a JSFiddle frame here, not sure it will work so I might be deleting this comment later.  Embedding the frame didn't work, updating with link to JSFiddle instead.

                                                           

                                                          Better options?  Well, I can't say it is very refined, or at least not yet, but one could use JavaScript to create an SDE state tree in a browser: SDE State Tree Example - JSFiddle.

                                                           

                                                          A couple of comments:

                                                          • The JSFiddle example above relies on 2 open-source JS libraries.  Papa Parse is used to parse a CSV file created by running SQL to query the current state of an SDE geodatabase, and vis.js is used to visualize that information as a hierarchical network.
                                                          • The state tree diagram is similar, but not identical, to what is generated by the GDBT (see attachment).
                                                            • The default settings for the hierarchical repulsion solver used by vis.js allow branches to sway a bit, i.e., the entire branch isn't perfectly vertical.
                                                            • The tree layout is based on hubsize and not state/node order, i.e., the top node isn't State 0 but the state that has the most branches.
                                                            • The diagram has been enhanced with more colors.
                                                              • State 0 is Blue.
                                                              • Versions tied to replicas are Orange.

                                                           

                                                          I must admit, I am a complete hack when in comes to JS, which is why I am convinced that Esri really isn't interested in providing this functionality.  If a novice with 2 open-source JS libraries and half of day of free time can get a state tree diagram that is in the ballpark, how hard can it be for a professional developer to bang out this functionality in some way, shape, or form.

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                                                            • Re: GDBT to ArcGIS 10.1?
                                                              claradair

                                                              Wow, thanks for taking a stab at that!  I'm not at all distracted by swaying branches, we're all tree people in my line of work, which includes swaying branches, eh?  It took me a minute to get the hang of it (lineages pointing upwards, for example) but it totally works for me, once I got over that.

                                                               

                                                              I noticed another difference: at state 1871 in your example, the sync replica is showing.  With all these use of  'create local copy of a feature service for editing' we need more ways to keep track of what is happening with versions and replicas.  Thanks again for taking the time to do this!

                                          • Re: GDBT to ArcGIS 10.1?
                                            shaunrconway
                                            Anybody want to give me direction of viewing the current state of the database in 10.2?

                                            Thanks,
                                            Shaun
                                            • Re: GDBT to ArcGIS 10.1?
                                              ASenGupta-esristaff

                                              For all those looking to use the GDBT with the recent releases of ArcGIS Desktop:

                                               

                                              Using our favourite GDBT toolset with Desktop 10.1 or later release

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